Snowboarding on acid!

Not to change the subject, life has many somewhat similar situations as far as decision making goes. When I was 18 my mom refused to let me have a motorcycle. I thought they were cool and it was all I could afford. I bought one anyway.

I had a blast that first year. Every person I rode with on a somewhat regular basis totaled their bikes. The leading cause of death supposedly of all the males who were in my high school class and the one after it is motorcycle accidents. This is why moms (older people with more experiences usually) don't want their kids on motorcycles, they know about accidents. I refuse to race motorcycles as there is no metal between me and what surprise comes up.

I've been in over 10 accidents where the vehicle I was riding on or in got totaled. Maybe some rug burn in the cars, but the motorcycles literaly crippled me. I actually talk my relatives that I care about, that consider having motorcycles (especially high powered street bikes) out of it by explaining all my motorcycle accidents. I still ride sometimes and always want another bike.

To make a long story short, life has no given absolute promises (except you are born,pay taxes, and die[email me if you know otherwise]). Hopefully you have the background, facts, and skills to make the best decision you can.

Post edited by: PerryRObray, at: 2007/12/18 18:27

That is so true, PerryRObray - thank you for sharing that.

From drugs to motorcycles, this forum really dose have it all

yessur, this is a multi-subject forum

1) is burtonblund420 bluffing or not? I don't give a shit

2) LSD and yes even weed are bad for you, even if your mind is 100% oké you can go bad from it. So if you say to other people that they don't know where they are talking about you don't eather. Every drug is bad for you only 2 drugs aren't "so bad" for your body: 1 glas red wine a day and some pure cocaine once a week (and sorry burtonblund that you can't find any more)

3) if somebody wanna mess up his body with drugs oké I really don't give a shit but if a dopehead brings me or someone ensle on a slope in danger I will kick his ass so bad he won't and can't do drugs for a week.

Snowboarding is all about getting an adrenaline rush without doing drugs, if you wanna smoke some weed after a good day snowboarding fine by me

ps: if you don't dare to take a kicker without drugs I woudn't do it with it, if you can't waith until you are ready ... maybe it's better to seek for an other sport ...

Have fun without drugs, take care with or without them

.....only 2 drugs aren't "so bad" for your body: 1 glas red wine a day and some pure cocaine once a week .....

Huh?? I never heard of that one. How come?

Anyway for the rest of your message, you are perfectly right. I also count taking drugs under the same label as drinking alcohol - you don't drive when drinking, you don't do drugs when you can endanger others.

Rossi wrote:
3) if somebody wanna mess up his body with drugs oké I really don't give a shit but if a dopehead brings me or someone ensle on a slope in danger I will kick his ass so bad he won't and can't do drugs for a week. [/quote]

Dude, I bet drunken snowboarders/skiers have caused so many accidents out on the hills, do you want all ski resorts to close down their bars??? I stay with in my limits, I don't put anyone else at risk out on the hills.

If you've never taken LSD before then you have no room to talk, you have no idea what an acid trip is actually like, It's not like in the movies, you won't be seeing pink elephants and little leprechans everywhere.

I actually dropped some acid a couple weeks ago and went boarding again, it was so much fun. During some of the runs I couldn't help but to just laugh my ass off the whole way down the hill.

So has anyone else on this site actually take a psychedelic drug? Shrooms or acid???

No, I only know of people that have taken LSD and they all say very different things from what you are saying, Burtonblunt. They ALL say they see things that are non-existent -

I really haven't heard anyone yet confirming what you are saying about LSD.



And, yes. Of course after drinking alcohol no boarding. After boarding alcohol is up to the person,, but not during or before.

Well you might be looking up at the stars and think you saw a shooting star out of the corner of your eye, or you might see a shooting star and mistake it for a UFO in your altered state. But your sure as hell not gonna see pink elephants, leprechans, or anything like that. Things that allready exist will be seen in a diferent way but you won't see things that don't exist.

Ok, so I wasn't a member of this board, but just found this page through google. I felt however that I must register and interject for a moment if I may to counteract a bit of the misinformation being emanated from some the previous posts...

First of all... in regards to DNA damage from LSD use. This needs a bit of clarification. The only studies which have shown any type of chromosomal damage after exposure to LSD used amounts of LSD so high that they could not rationally be achieved in a human being, and even then the magnitude of damage was on par with many other commonly used substances. Reasonable doses of LSD do not cause DNA damage (the amount in question is only one tab, hardly enough to be a concern). Have you EVER heard of someone who has had some sort of genetic birth defect due to LSD use of a parent? I think not.

Secondly... I'm not sure where you got your information about draining the sugar out of the blood and turning you into a zombie, but this is almost laughable. While LSD use does result in elevated blood sugar levels during the experience, so does eating sugary foods. This is not a permanent effect and can in no way be said to "turn you into a zombie".

Thirdly... while there has been a slight increase in "acid" blotters actually containing other chemicals, you won't find any of those you mentioned on blotters (rat poison,speed,angel dust,etc). As K1009 said, you need MUCH smaller amounts of LSD to achieve a trip as opposed to amounts of other chemicals to make them active. Unlike K1009 said however, the order of magnitude for LSD activity is on the order of 100-200 MICROgrams (ug), not MILLIgrams (mg). For example, 100ug of LSD could fit on a blotter, whereas the MINIMUM dosage for PCP (angel dust) is 3mg... this is 30 times the active dose of LSD. It simply wouldn't work to fit these sorts of chemicals in any sort of active amount on a blotter tab. There are however other chemicals sometimes substituted, such as DOC or DOI. This is an unfortunate result of the fact that LSD is banned and there is no control over its production or sale. In my opinion, someone who wishes to try LSD should be able to know for a fact that he is getting LSD. Knowing your source is a very important factor in planning for any drug experience.

Fourthly... to breezz, I'm truly sorry about your friend who passed away, as well as any other friends who have been damaged by their drug experiences. I don't want it to be mistaken that I am condoning the use of LSD for anyone and everyone, but at the same time, this is a substance which can be a great psychological tool for self-exploration and self-improvement. It is a powerful tool however, and must be used with caution and respect. I would also like to go on record for saying I don't think snowboarding on LSD is a great idea, and I'd recommend against it unless you are extremely comfortable with both your snowboarding ability as well as the effect that LSD has on YOUR body (it effects everyone differently).

Ok, sorry for interjecting in your forum like this, but it just frustrates me to see people giving such a blatant, blanket dismissal of something they have never experienced. As I said, LSD is not for everyone by any means. But please, at least take a sincere look at the facts before saying these sorts of things. Thank you all.

moracca wrote:
Have you EVER heard of someone who has had some sort of genetic birth defect due to LSD use of a parent? I think not.

Secondly... I'm not sure where you got your information about draining the sugar out of the blood and turning you into a zombie, but this is almost laughable. While LSD use does result in elevated blood sugar levels during the experience, so does eating sugary foods. This is not a permanent effect and can in no way be said to "turn you into a zombie".


What is the dosage that causes DNA damage? When under the effect of some mind altering type drugs there is a burnt type feeling after maybe 1 hour. This burnt feeling can be remedied in approx. 30 minutes with some fruit sugar.

sometimes when I've had a rough day at work, I feel burnt out... then I eat some fruit sugar and I'm A-Okay.... Maybe I should quit my job?

As far as chromosomal damage, I don't know the exact figures but I will say this much, for every one study that says it found chromosomal damage, there's another that says there isn't. My point is that there is a lot of information that was put out by various groups including government groups (don't get me wrong and think I'm some kind of left wing conspiracy nut... I'm not, I am a strongly right leaning republican) which either is erred or flawed in some way, or even an outright lie. And my point about the track record for deformed children still stands. With the huge wave of LSD use in the 60's/70's, you would think that there would just be a plethora of retarded kids running around today, and while many of today's kids are kinda retarded, they're not retarded in the "hey my chromosomes are fucked up" kind of way and those who are can't attribute that to LSD use on behalf of a parent.
Remember, LSD was used as a powerful tool by psychologists and psychotherapists for quite a while, until everyone started to go nuts with rumors and propaganda.

Post edited by: moracca, at: 2008/02/15 04:36

BurtonBlunt420 wrote:

Well you might be looking up at the stars and think you saw a shooting star out of the corner of your eye, or you might see a shooting star and mistake it for a UFO in your altered state. But your sure as hell not gonna see pink elephants, leprechans, or anything like that. Things that allready exist will be seen in a diferent way but you won't see things that don't exist.

My friend saw water under a bridge that wasn't there and jumped head on on the concrete instead.....

Hi Moracca, welcome to the forum

Thank you for the very informative posting. I know near to nothing about the chemical consequences of LSD use, and in that aspect your posting was very enlightening.

The thing that I can't dig though is why at all use it? This is a drug. Do people use drugs (medicines) when they are not ill? No. So what for to take chances and subjugate yourself to it?

I'm afraid that without ever having tried it, you may never fully understand why people use psychedelics. There is something about it that can't be conveyed in words, and can only be experienced to be fully appreciated. I can try to explain some of the reasons however (mind you everyone has their own). First of all, let me start of by saying that you can in no way compare LSD with aspirin or penicillin or something like that. Just because they fall under the catch all category of "drug" does not mean they are anything alike. For one thing, psychedelic drugs give one the unique ability to drop the defenses that normally keep us from taking an honest look at ourselves, our motivations, our surroundings, our relationships, etc. Another common reason is that being under the influence of psychedelics gives you an appreciation of nature and the world around us that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere else. Granted, climbing to the top of the rocky mountains and taking a look at the awesome spectacle that God has placed before you can also give you a similar sense, but don't get me wrong... I'm not dissing these experiences at all. I think everyone should do that if they had the chance... sadly not all of us do. Anyway I'm getting off topic.
Another benefit is that psychedelic drugs can give you a newfound spiritual awareness or connection. Again, without ever having experienced this its hard to expect you to truly understand it, I'm just trying to answer the questions.

I think one of the common mistakes or assumptions that is being made not just on this thread, but in society as a whole, is that those who take LSD are using it just to "get fucked up". That's just not true. Surely, some people are. But I'd like to make it clear that I don't support this kind of use. There are two major camps in the psychedelic supporting community:
One is that psychedelics are fun and they should be legal because its our bodies and we can do what we want.
The second is that psychedelics are a powerful tool that should be carefully and responsibly evaluated (for both the negative and positive aspects) before jumping into such an experience, however when used properly, can be an incredibly enlightening experience.

I find myself squarely in the second camp, and even harbor some resentment for those in the first camp, simply because this type of behavior really sheds a bad light on psychedelic use, and that is something none of us need.

Breezz, thank you for having an open-minded discussion about this. It's nice to know that some people are still capable of discussing something civilly and rationally, even if they don't support it.

Post edited by: moracca, at: 2008/02/16 23:35

Thanks for the explaination Moracca

I am severely against the use of drugs (even if it benefits the person -like you explained what the effects of it could be) but the way you put it I can come to a compromise in that if, at all, people wanting to use this should be able to do so only (and alone) under the professional consultation of a professional in this field (psychologist or something) - so as to not run the risk of endangering themselves and/or getting hooked on it. (from the past I seen friends go from one drug to another and getting hooked on the very idea of using a drug - everything, just not to have to face the world 'sober'

moracca wrote:

Fourthly... to breezz, I'm truly sorry about your friend who passed away, as well as any other friends who have been damaged by their drug experiences. I don't want it to be mistaken that I am condoning the use of LSD for anyone and everyone, but at the same time, this is a substance which can be a great psychological tool for self-exploration and self-improvement. It is a powerful tool however, and must be used with caution and respect..

YES!!! THANK YOU!!!

Finally someone who understands.

Thank you moracca, Thank you!

BurtonBlunt420 wrote:

moracca wrote:

Fourthly... to breezz, I'm truly sorry about your friend who passed away, as well as any other friends who have been damaged by their drug experiences. I don't want it to be mistaken that I am condoning the use of LSD for anyone and everyone, but at the same time, this is a substance which can be a great psychological tool for self-exploration and self-improvement. It is a powerful tool however, and must be used with caution and respect..

YES!!! THANK YOU!!!

Finally someone who understands.

Thank you moracca, Thank you!

:)

She does not condone the use of it when snowboarding !

I'm actually a he, but yes, like I said before, I really wouldn't suggest dropping acid + snowboarding unless you are extremely comfortable with both your snowboarding ability as well as your individual reaction to acid. I would not qualify myself under either of those categories, and as such, will refrain from dropping acid and partaking in a sport where I could potentially injure myself for life. You may fit into another category, however, and that decision is up to you; I can only give my opinion.

moracca wrote:

I'm actually a he, ........

Sorry

LSD was supposedly invented in the 30s. Outlawed in the U.S.A. in the 60s probably. There were many decades of scientific research alone in the U.S.A.
The U.S. military used it during interrogation during WW2.
I personally feel that THC (weed,pot, ect....) is so popular because chromosome damage has never been proven to my knowledge. Mind altering drugs are available in pharmacies in the U.S.A., lithium being one of them.

Isn't lithium a substance against depression?

breezz wrote:

Isn't lithium a substance against depression? :unsure:

I looked in a book that is supposed to have every pharmaceutical drug available in the U.S.A. about 20 years ago. Lithium was classified as a hallucinogenic drug.

dude... I don't know what book you're looking in, but I've never heard of lithium classified as a hallucinogenic drug... i could be wrong however. I know several people who are prescribed lithium, (for bipolar disorders -- it is an anti-manic drug), and NONE of them have ever had hallucinogenic effects. Who knows if you take like 50x the prescribed dosage, but Christ, who does that kind of thing. Trust me when I say this... you don't want to even start comparing Lithium to LSD... the two are NOTHING alike.


PS... your first statement seemed more accurate, Lithium IS a mind-altering drug. But for that matter, so is caffeine. That doesn't necessarily mean it is either bad OR good. Hell, creating mind-altering drugs is the entire purpose of the psychopharmaceutical industry.

Post edited by: moracca, at: 2008/02/21 02:05

moracca wrote:

dude... I don't know what book you're looking in, but I've never heard of lithium classified as a hallucinogenic drug... i could be wrong however. I know several people who are prescribed lithium, (for bipolar disorders -- it is an anti-manic drug), and NONE of them have ever had hallucinogenic effects. Who knows if you take like 50x the prescribed dosage, but Christ, who does that kind of thing. Trust me when I say this... you don't want to even start comparing Lithium to LSD... the two are NOTHING alike.


PS... your first statement seemed more accurate, Lithium IS a mind-altering drug. But for that matter, so is caffeine. That doesn't necessarily mean it is either bad OR good. Hell, creating mind-altering drugs is the entire purpose of the psychopharmaceutical industry.

Post edited by: moracca, at: 2008/02/21 02:05

I consider mind altering and hallucinogenic to be synonyms when I wrote that. For the record caffiene is a stimulant.

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wow. ok, first of all mind-altering and hallucinogenic are definitely not synonyms. second of all, I know caffeine is a stimulant, I'm not retarded... that doesn't mean its not mind altering... it alters your mind. I never said it was a hallucinogenic or psychedelic or anything of the sort.

People people ... did you never watched south park?
These are discusions without an end. But the point is that if you take something to much or for to long it's bad for you .... even watching tv, drinking wine, cocaine, lsd,... everything. Also if you take drugs when snowboarding it's a bad idea for your savety and other people. I hope everybody agrees with this and let ous put these endless discusions next to us and lets snowboard in a few months the snow makes place for the green.
Have fun take care but I'm going hit a slope today.

Rossi Alright, tell me: which slope did you hit yesterday? Tell me all about it as if I was there.


Drugs are drugs. It cannot be good to take things that make you change your mind, observation. I am OK with people taking drugs responsibly (like when not interacting with other people and most certainly not endangering them because of the different mindset those drugs has put them under) - but to board and do drugs should be forbidden, just like I would like boarding and alcohol to be forbidden

It was a indoor snowpark ...
But fun and just what I needed to relax
... monday again to the indoor snowpark...
and at easter I go back to Italy and the real slopes

ps breezz you are always welcome to join me on the slopes hé

Post edited by: Rossi, at: 2008/02/22 16:49

Ah yes, that's so kind hey Rossi - I wish I could. And, who knows maybe I can, . . . one day Italy for sure has a soft spot with me, having lived in Lido di Jesolo for half a year, a long time ago and you with your enthusiasm share that spot, wanting me even more to return to boarding asap